1st of all there are more than 2 touch screen devices on the market and more to be released

nokia like any other company will spit out variants of flagship models as you pointed out,but nokia have put in time and effort

you mention apple,apple are not so much at the forefront in mobile technology they still lack with strict limitations and selling units that are sealed with no user access

there is many widgets now available for nokia handset such as the n97 take some time look around at various sites and you will see this

HTC are not the best either again limitations like apple and only selling mainly where i phones can be obtained

im mot an apple fan never will be a htc fan as i think they are useless thats my opinion

you can be sure for one thing nokia will have an interesting line up shortly and apple and htc will be the ones in the background nokia still remain the number 1 handset maker and will do so

nokia cater for everybody in the mobile world not just selling one or two products and thats it htc have a few handsets big deal can everybody afford these no can nokia bring functionality to a phone yes not only in high end phones but in all phones selected for selected markets and more

Yes i now see that there is a N810 with resistive screen as well and if you have any info on "to be released" phones please dont hesitate to tell me where to get news about them.

Reg. apple, i know very well that they lock up their users but first of all everyone can jailbreak their phone but that is not even the point. I dont talk about limitations i talk about features. And i mainly mention apple because they were out with a capacitive touch screen that WORKS great and LOOKS great and nokia has not to my knowledge either released nor made it public that they will release such a phone.

Regarding HTC selling limitations i dont understand what you mean. If i compare the price of a network independent free not locked phone like N97 and HTC Hero i get the hero cheaper than the nokia. I can easily get a HTC phone without any kind of locks and mandatory subscriptions of any kind.

ANd your strange comment about only selling where iphone is available...Well i dont care....I want features and it seems that HTC and APPLE can deliver.

I find it hard to believe that with the massive headstart HTC, Apple and even samsung and others have gotten that nokia should easily slip into the lead again but i do welcome your admittance that nokia is NOT the leader right now.

And regarding HTC only selling to one kind of costumer....Again...I dont care because i AM that kind of costumer...What do i care that HTC does not have a small feature poor phone with a bad camera and a small screen like nokia...I want a big shiny bright touch screen that can do multi touch and nokia cannot deliver that and i have seen NO indications that nokia will be able to deliver that anytime soon. I back up that conclusion with the fact that the N900 that is "to be released" is still resistive press screen and no mention of any new nokia phone with capacitive screen can be found anywhere with google as far as i can see.

Please understand that i am a TECHNOLOGY freak....I dont care about subscription terms and such things, i want features and nokia simply does NOT deliver at the moment and i fear that they will not be able to deliver the day where i cannot wait anymore to upgrade.

Xsatquest

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While I could agree with some of your points, there's something I don't understand.

You talk about technology features, yet praise the Apple iphone. 

Besides multitouch capacitive touch, that granted is a cool looking feature, the iphone, specially the original one, had a total of 16 apps, a puny 2 mpix camera, no flash for pictures, no adobe flash, only GPRS, etc, etc.

So if you were really ALL about features how can you even say that the iPhone is better than the N95?, is touchscreen all there is to it?

Again. I agree with most of your points. And I also agree that Nokia have yet again failed to see the impact of a "new design" in the marketplace (just like thin clamshells). 

"Features is what HTC an APPLE can deliver". I beg to differ. Apple may have made the gap smaller, but it's still not as feature rich as the N97. Sorry. The features may look "cooler" and work "nicer" thanks to the UI of the iPhone, but in net terms of features the N97 is STILL better than the iPhone. I think you got your terms confused.

Thanks for the link

If i input Nokia and filter so that only phones with touch screen, gps and wlan is listed i get :

N97

5800xm

5800ne

n900

So basically i have 2 phones to choose from and one more in the future.

the 5800's are the same besides a lifetime nav subscription and a stand.

I dont see any capacitive screen phones on that site either.

Does the N97 go online and fetch profile pictures from facebook and look on messenger live for data as well and add them to the contacts in your phone book ?

Xsatquest

Does the N97 go online and fetch profile pictures from facebook and look on messenger live for data as well and add them to the contacts in your phone book ?

I haven't tried that. I know there's a facebook widget and MSN Live does copy all the messanger and email contacts to the phonebook (at least it did in the N96).

El loco

The reason i bring up iphone is not so much its other features but to point out that apple did a really fantastic bright, crystal clear touch screen a long time ago and when nokia finally gets it's act together and add touch it is the cheapo press screen that resistive "touch" is.

I also think that you hurried a little to much and forgot to mention HTC...

The only reason i pull them forward is that i have seen what the HTC Hero phone can do feature wise and i bet that you wont find a nokia that will do anything like this.

The only semi bad part about it i have found is that the camera has no lens cover and no flash but nokia (as opposed to sonyericsson) have yet to grasp the importance of real flash over LED flash...I know that they did make a model or 2 with it but those lacked some other features.

I would have liked the N97 alot better if they had just stuck a real flash in there instead of stupid useless LED's and had they given it a capacitive touch then i would probably have bought it but now i am left wondering if i should hold on to my N95 and wait for nokia to eventually catch up or just abandon ship and go with something else instead of nokia that i have had for the past nearly 16 years and for the most part really loved.

Xsatquest

Capacitive Touchscreens are not the Saviour of the Mobile phone world. I find the Resistive screen on the N97 quite adequate. Yes I have used a Capacitive touscreeen on my Girlfriends Ipod Touch and my Mates Iphone, They were nothing special.

And what is it with people who go out and Buy a phone and then complain about the features it has. The features are normally well documented.

I didn't get my N97 and then wake up one morning in shock to find it had a Resistive screen. Did the Touchscreen fairy visit in the night and run off with the Capacitive one I thought it had???.

If a phone doesn't have what you want or do what you want, don't buy it

.. strange no-one has mentioned the Palm Pre ..

.. guess we don't get many 'mericuns on here ..

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.. guess we don't get many 'mericuns on here .

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There are loads. They're the ones who whoop on about how Apple has saved the world with the iphone

simple i vl say problem is not with mobile phones problem is with OS .

S40 phones are faster than S60 xcept they loose wide range of compatibility

nokia can replace all smartphones OS with MAEMO

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well Resistive touchscreen for me is >> than capacitive its a matter of choice.

The fact that matters now is almost all the companies are at the same tecnological forefront interms of camera's,hard disk space, qwerty etc, not many fones have em all like n97, its kind of the complete package but the real deal now at this stage is the UI, the interface its how well those features are presented, n97 if delivered with a better smooth slick UI would do so much better,

in fact we can already see it rite...n900 as it seems is a exact clone of 97(few hardware changes apart) apart from the UI and nokia i think are finally on the rite track. 

I too actually have used nokia phones only till date. starting from old 5110. And I think I'll agree that in terms on innovation they are lagging with others.

I am personnaly not an iphone fan, i mean i just do not like the i canady but yes as apple is already famous for; they *innovate*, so even though i do not like that phone what matters is that actually it is a big success all over the world. I think nokia decision to defer touchscreen till late is actually responsible for this. They were happy in their no-touchscreen world than suddenly came a revolution and than in hurry they launched a new symbian version with touch screen support. It was in hurry like most of there other phones, now days it looks like they release handset with their OS still in beta and than do the bug fixing. The intention was not to innovate but to provide symbian on top of touchscreen.

I still go with symbian as I am used to of them and they serve the purpose but as I said, I agree that they are not innovating in phone's arena now days. May be they are focussing too much on netbooks ;-). 

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Aditya

Hi All

Looking through this forum i also get the feeling that even the N97, the flagship of Nokia is no good.

Problems with the lens cover.

Problems with phones bricking.

Problems with lagging software.

And every time i see some video with a nokia resistive press screen i see people having to press twice sometimes to get the response wanted.

So i must conclude that i am FAR from the only one that thinks that nokia is WAY behind the competition.

Xsatquest

That's the thing though.. the N97 has done pretty poorly but the biggest problem is Nokia being so tight lipped about the faults.. until now.. Recent disclosures have revealed there is a firmware to fix the problems and there is a change in production..

The N97 was released too early, fair enough.. but Nokia is still miles ahead in the phone stakes.. possibly down to the fact they make so many varied types, shapes and flavours.. 

They've taken a huge hit this year (q2 profits down?) but I suspect the N900 and the N97mini and perhaps the new X series will pick up the slack..

But why even trust then, after the N97, no more, i'm off

I just dont feel that it is the Nokia i know, i would rather move to a smaller company that is trying hard to get customers and market share, i bet they would not try to sweep problems under the carpet, they would fix the problems.

Nokia was not lying when they proclaimed the N97 as "the worlds most powerful mobile computer".

It has lots of power--like a tractor has more power than a car.

And like a tractor it does better OFF the road (which is why the GPS keeps jumping into the fields next to the highway!) and occasionally gets bogged down in the mud.

Like a tractor it isn't pretty--it picks up all the odors of the farm, attracts dirt and even smells like diesel fuel and sweat.

Unlike a car, there also aren't many accessories for a tractor--just the basics.  No flashy apps that make you say "Wow".

Also like a tractor--it doesn't go very fast but you can run a dozen programs simultaneously--if you're willing to wait a few seconds for the results of your screen press to show up on the screen.